why papon and hathurasinghe should be fired to save Bangladesh cricket

[nynemesis]

"বিতর্কিত কোচ এবং বিপর্যস্ত বাংলাদেশ ক্রিকেট"

ছাত্র যখন পরিক্ষায় খারাপ করে তখন সেই দায়ভার শিক্ষককে নিতে হয়।

তেমনি বাংলাদেশ যার অধীনে ওয়েস্ট ইন্ডিজের সাথে খেলল
এবং প্রতি ম্যাচেই লজ্জাজনকভাবে হারল সেই দায়ভার কি কোচে নিবে না??
শ্রীলংকা থেকে স্পেশাল কোচ আনা হল & জিম্বাবুয়ে থেকে বোলিং কোচ আনা হল ফলাফল কি??
= ভারত & ওয়েস্ট ইন্ডিজের সাথে ধবল ধোলাই

হাতুরি সিং নামটাই দেখলে বুঝা যায় সে কেমন কোচ।

সে এক সময় শ্রীলংকার এসিস্টেন্ট কোচ ছিল কিন্তু শৃংখলা ভঙ্গের জন্য তাকে বাদ দিয়ে দেয়, তখন সে অস্ট্রেলিয়ায় পাড়ি জমায় সেখানেও একই অভিযোগ উঠে, এখন সে বাংলাদেশের কোচ।
ইতিমধ্যে আমরা তার এভাইলিটি জেনে গেছি সে কেমন কোচ।

সাকিব আল হাসান কে তার ষড়যন্ত্রে বিসিবি নিষিদ্ধ করেছিল, ওয়েস্ট ইন্ডিজ সফরে যাওয়ার আগে সে বলছিল- সাকিবের অভাব নাকি বোধ করবে না বাংলাদেশ।

এখন তো তার অভাব ভাল করেই বুঝতেছেন হাতুরি?
প্রথম টেস্টের আগে সে বলছিল মমিনুল নাকি ফাস্ট বোলিং খেলতে পারে না, কিন্তু ২ ম্যাচেই সে ৫০ করল তার অধিকাংশ রানই ফাস্ট বোলিং থেকে।

একজন কোচের এই এরকম মন্তব্য??

কিছু টাকা বাঁচানোর লাইগা হাতুরির মত অর্ডিনারি কোচ এনে বাংলাদেশ ক্রিকেট টাকে ধ্বংস করে ফেলতেছে বিসিবি।

Remember we need coach who will lyk jemmie siddons or similar to dave whatmore who understand at our players mentality , we need bcb president lyk saber hossain chowdhury or mostofa kamal who willing to do better for bangladesh cricket future. Who will at least try to get some international series where players didn't have to sit idle for six months , this coach and illegal bcb president its a worst since we had 2006

[jeesh]

Where did you get this? Source?

[nynemesis]

Originally Posted by jeesh
Where did you get this? Source?

Bro this is 100 percent true news , their is nothing to lie out here

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by jeesh
Where did you get this? Source?

must be from some stupid blogger

[dark mage]

Did Hathuri really say that Mominul can't play fast-bowling? If its true then he isn't fit to be a coach. Mominul has one of the best techniques against pace in this side, along with Tamim, Mushfiq and Shakib. Guys like Nasir, Imrul have problems facing the faster ball.

[jeesh]

Originally Posted by nynemesis
Bro this is 100 percent true news , their is nothing to lie out here

Looks like a frustrated blog post. Feel free to voice your displeasure on the head coach and the coaching team but do it with facts not cheap shots.

[jeesh]

Originally Posted by dark mage
Did Hathuri really say that Mominul can't play fast-bowling? If its true then he isn't fit to be a coach. Mominul has one of the best techniques against pace in this side, along with Tamim, Mushfiq and Shakib. Guys like Nasir, Imrul have problems facing the faster ball.

I d like to see any source or interview where the coach actually mentions this.

The Daily Star article points fingers at selectors and partially at team management for second innings snub in the practice game.

http://www.thedailystar.net/sports/c...-mominul-39897

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by jeesh

I d like to see any source or interview where the coach actually mentions this.

The Daily Star article points fingers at selectors and partially at team management for second innings snub in the practice game.

http://www.thedailystar.net/sports/c...-mominul-39897

Well if that link doesn't say much then follow this link.
http://www.kalerkantho.com/print-edi...4/09/04/124630

বাংলাদেশ ক্রিকেটে এ মুহূর্তের সবচেয়ে বড় খবর সম্ভবত এটাই যে, মমিনুল হক পেস বোলিং খেলতে পারেন না। আর পারেন না বলেই কক্সবাজারের এ তরুণকে আপাতত প্র্যাকটিসেই বেশি ব্যস্ত রাখতে চাচ্ছেন কোচ চন্দিকা হাতুরাসিংহে। খবরটা বড় এ কারণেই যে, একজন মমিনুলের সামর্থ্য নিয়েই যখন প্রশ্ন উঠেছে, তখন ধরেই নিতে হবে যে, ওয়েস্ট ইন্ডিজে সফররত বাংলাদেশ দলের বাকি সব ব্যাটসম্যানই পেস বোলিং অনায়াসে খেলে দেবেন। সে ক্ষেত্রে আগামীকাল শুরু হওয়া টেস্ট সিরিজে বাজিমাত করবেন মুশফিকুর রহিমরা। কারণ কে না জানে ক্যারিবীয় বোলিংয়ের সব বিষ ওই পেস বোলিংয়েই। সুনীল নারিন এ সিরিজ খেলতে অস্বীকৃতি জানানোয় দুর্বোধ্য স্পিন খেলতে হবে না তামিম ইকবালদের।
গতকাল সকালে বিসিবির এক পরিচালক সাফল্যের কাল্পনিক এ থিওরি শুনে ঘাবড়ে গেলেন, ‘ঠিক এটা না, আসলে মমিনুলের সমস্যার কথাটাই শুধু বলেছেন কোচ। তিনি খারাপ কিছু ভেবে বলেননি। টিম ম্যানেজমেন্ট লেভেলে এটা নিয়ে আলোচনা করেছেন।’ গ্রেনাডায় থিঙ্ক ট্যাঙ্কের সঙ্গে আলোচনায় নবাগত কোচের মূল্যায়ন কিভাবে ঢাকায় এলো এবং তা কিভাবে ক্রিকেটাঙ্গনে ছড়িয়ে পড়ল, সেটি অবশ্য জানেন না তিনি। ‘তিনি’ মানে ওই বোর্ড পরিচালক, তাঁর অনুরোধেই নামটা গোপন রাখা।...
কোচ ঠিক কোন সমস্যাটির কথা বলেছেন? নাম প্রকাশে অনিচ্ছুক বিসিবির ওই পরিচালকের কাছ থেকে জানা, ‘শর্ট বোলিং। সরে না গিয়ে ব্যাট বাড়িয়ে দিচ্ছে মমিনুল।’ যদিও ২২ বছর বয়সী এ ব্যাটসম্যানের ক্যারিয়ার ঘাঁটাঘাঁটি করে এ দাবির পক্ষে অকাট্য প্রমাণ মেলেনি। ৭ টেস্টের ১৩ ইনিংসে মমিনুল আউট হয়েছেন ১০ বার, এর মধ্যে স্পিনাররা তাঁর উইকেট নিয়েছেন চারবার। আবার পেসারদের মধ্যে নিউজিল্যান্ডের কোরে অ্যান্ডারসনের বলে চট্টগ্রাম টেস্টে মমিনুল আউট হয়েছিলেন ১৮১ রান করে। তা ছাড়া পেস বোলিং খেলতে বাংলাদেশের কোন ব্যাটসম্যান স্বচ্ছন্দ বোধ করেন? যদি করেও থাকেন, তাহলে তাঁর কিংবা তাঁদের ব্যাটিং গড়ের এ হাল কেন?
এসব প্রশ্নের উত্তর নেই। ক্রিকেটীয় যুক্তিই যে নেই পেস বোলিংয়ের বিরুদ্ধে মমিনুলের দুর্বলতা নিয়ে গবেষণা করার! ওয়ানডে-টোয়েন্টি টোয়েন্টিতে না হয় বল ছেড়ে খেলার সুযোগটা কম। কিন্তু টেস্টে সে বিপত্তি নেই। নেই বলেই ধৈর্যের পরীক্ষায় বোলারকে হারিয়ে লম্বা ইনিংস খেলেন মমিনুল। তাহলে? প্রশ্নের তোড়ে খড়কুটো আঁকড়ে ধরার চেষ্টা দল ঘনিষ্ঠ একজনের, ‘আসলে উপমহাদেশের উইকেটে সমস্যা নেই, কিন্তু ওয়েস্ট ইন্ডিজের বাউন্সি ট্র্যাকে ঝামেলা আছে।’ সেই ‘ঝামেলা’ বাকিরা কতটা সামাল দিতে পেরেছেন, এ প্রশ্নে নিরুত্তর তিনি।
তবে একটা ব্যাপারে একমত তিনি যে, পেস বোলিংয়ের বিরুদ্ধে মমিনুলের দুর্বলতার বিষয়টি টিম ম্যানেজমেন্টের গোপনীয়তার দেয়াল চুইয়ে বেরিয়ে পড়াটা ঠিক হয়নি। নিজের জীবনে এমন অনেক ঘটনায় মুষড়ে পড়া তাঁর ধারণা, ‘এমনটা যে কাউকে চাপে ফেলে দেয়। কথাগুলো নিজেদের মধ্যে রেখে এ নিয়ে মমিনুলের সঙ্গে কাজ করা যেত।’ তাঁর অনুমান সম্ভবত ভুলও নয়, ক্যারিবীয় দ্বীপপুঞ্জের শোভা মমিনুলের মন কাড়ছে বলেই খবর।
সবচেয়ে মজার ব্যাপার হলো, যাঁরা মমিনুলের পেস বোলিং দুর্বলতা নিয়ে গবেষণা করছেন, তাঁদের কারোরই ধারণা নেই ৭৫ ব্যাটিং গড়ের জন্য ঠিক কতটা কষ্ট করতে হয়- সে টেস্ট এমনকি প্রথম শ্রেণির ক্রিকেটেও!

This was right before test one. I got the link from the match thread itself.

[Jadukor]

Kaler Kantha akta garbage news paper

[5tonne]

Such a load of rubbish. Left with a bad taste in the mouth reading the first post. Back in the days hawkers used to sell tk2.00 newspapers in the buses. They used to have earth shattering headlines. People knew they were full of bulldusts but still some used to buy and read them for some cheap entertainment while stuck in the traffic jam.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Kaler Kantha akta garbage news paper

I understand that. Journalists can color however way they feel like. However, the quote by the BCB admin is a quote. No? That also is made up? If time permits I will look for other articles from other paper. I clearly remember we did talk about it though before the 1st Test match.

[dark mage]

well although I am not too sold on the source, but for some reason, I have always felt that he doesn't like Mominul or rather, he didn't approve of all the attention Mominul was getting before the series and as a result made Momin sit out the ODI tournament, as well as keeping Mominul in doubt over his place in the Test series. All this just to put Mominul in his place, just like how he did with shakib, what a way to manage a young player, keep him in doubt about his place and his abilities, like his average was a fluke, keep him under pressure about his place. He also made Taskin play in just one match. I know our players suck, but I am starting to dislike Hathuri more and more.

[mufi_02]

Originally Posted by nynemesis

হাতুরি সিং নামটাই দেখলে বুঝা যায় সে কেমন কোচ।

We don't need sources when the proof is so concrete. Its his name guys!! nam ta dekhei amader bujha uchit chilo ei coach bhalo hobe nah.

I am convinced now. Fire Haturi.

[Jadukor]

Originally Posted by dark mage
well although I am not too sold on the source, but for some reason, I have always felt that he doesn't like Mominul or rather, he didn't approve of all the attention Mominul was getting before the series and as a result made Momin sit out the ODI tournament, as well as keeping Mominul in doubt over his place in the Test series. All this just to put Mominul in his place, just like how he did with shakib, what a way to manage a young player, keep him in doubt about his place and his abilities, like his average was a fluke, keep him under pressure about his place. He also made Taskin play in just one match. I know our players suck, but I am starting to dislike Hathuri more and more.

Haturi's honeymoon period is over. He has had a good look at our players and from next series it is time to deliver as coach. I am giving him the benefit of doubt in this series since he is new but chosing to bowl first in the first test on a flat pitch while playing only 3 bowlers left a serious dent in my confidence in him as a decent coach.

[SS]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Haturi's honeymoon period is over. He has had a good look at our players and from next series it is time to deliver as coach. I am giving him the benefit of doubt in this series since he is new but chosing to bowl first in the first test on a flat pitch while playing only 3 bowlers left a serious dent in my confidence in him as a decent coach.

আপনার লগে একমত কেমনে এই ডিসিশন তা নীতে দিল .. আমাগো কপাল টা খারাপ

[Murad]

Seems like he's not going for vacation. He has a plan.

Lets see if he can win us the gold in Asian games.

Hathurusingha however already has put forward his practice plan for the upcoming home series against Zimbabwe, who will arrive in Dhaka on October 17 for a one-and-a-half month tour of Bangladesh to play three Tests and five ODI matches against the home side.

According to the schedule, the Tigers' preparation camp will start on October 14 which will coincide with the start of the Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League.

The coach also submitted his preparation plan for the World Cup, to be held in Australia and New Zealand in February and March next year, to the Bangladesh Cricket Board's cricket operations committee well in advance.

[Tigers_eye]

Originally Posted by Murad
He has a plan. ...

Problem tho okhaney na. Problem holo implementation'a. BCB'er permission nitey hobay. Do you know how difficult and time consuming that is? We will start preparing on the 11th hour. Red tapes'er dohai dibo.

Observer had put forth a 18 point plan to BCB. Only one got implemented in 2+ years. Amra tho jol'e bhaissha asi nai. We know how things work in BD (BCB).

Put some incentives for the Board members, Boom!! Ratarati plan implementation hoye jabey.

[SS]

Flan koira uddhar korbo.. Next year in WC it will be a disaster

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by mufi_02
We don't need sources when the proof is so concrete. Its his name guys!! nam ta dekhei amader bujha uchit chilo ei coach bhalo hobe nah.

I am convinced now. Fire Haturi.

Or was it satire? Anyway classic journalism! Should get an award for trolling.

[Tiger444]

Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
Problem tho okhaney na. Problem holo implementation'a. BCB'er permission nitey hobay. Do you know how difficult and time consuming that is? We will start preparing on the 11th hour. Red tapes'er dohai dibo.

Observer had put forth a 18 point plan to BCB. Only one got implemented in 2+ years. Amra tho jol'e bhaissha asi nai. We know how things work in BD (BCB).

Put some incentives for the Board members, Boom!! Ratarati plan implementation hoye jabey.

Was about to say. This can go as an argument against the BCB in the other thread as well.

[jeesh]

Originally Posted by dark mage
well although I am not too sold on the source, but for some reason, I have always felt that he doesn't like Mominul or rather, he didn't approve of all the attention Mominul was getting before the series and as a result made Momin sit out the ODI tournament, as well as keeping Mominul in doubt over his place in the Test series. All this just to put Mominul in his place, just like how he did with shakib, what a way to manage a young player, keep him in doubt about his place and his abilities, like his average was a fluke, keep him under pressure about his place. He also made Taskin play in just one match. I know our players suck, but I am starting to dislike Hathuri more and more.

From what i know, he isnt a very political person with favouritism like you re describing. In general most Sri Lankans are not (Trust me i am married to one). And although we keep pelting stones at him for Shakib, we must realize it was the duty of any professional coach to report to his superiors about an incident like this. What happened afterwards was the decision of BCB. Also please understand unlike soccer, its not the coach who selects the side. Selectors have huge influence, which is why one of them is there as a team manager. Captain also has a huge say.

[jeesh]

Originally Posted by Jadukor
Haturi's honeymoon period is over. He has had a good look at our players and from next series it is time to deliver as coach. I am giving him the benefit of doubt in this series since he is new but chosing to bowl first in the first test on a flat pitch while playing only 3 bowlers left a serious dent in my confidence in him as a decent coach.

There is no doubt about that! Honeymoon is over. Now he has had a good look at the Tigers, seen them in two series. By now he should know he is dealing with slippery fellows who have severe flaws in their application, and poor attitude towards learning, improving.

Any coach who takes up the BD job must take it with this understanding. He has to somehow make do, and get the best out of these underperforming lot who are not going to listen.

Pressure is on. But we must be patient, keeping in mind many of our other good coaches in the past also took time to get the boys to perform. We all wanted Stuart Law out within months.

[nynemesis]

simplie haturi is just not good for bangladesh , lets put it that away , we need some good coach before world cup if we don't wanna see disaster , and let's continue to protest to remove illegal bcb president papon

[jeesh]

Lol, keep protesting. Maybe Papon will listen to you and hand in his resignation letter.

And keep dreaming about world class coaches. They are simply not lining up to take the Mirpur office!

I dont think there will be any changes in coaching personnel until World Cup. And there shouldnt be, unless we want Sarwar Imran or Khaled Mahmud or Akram Khan coaching the team. Of course if Bangladesh's slump continues till then we have every reason to ring changes.

[5tonne]

I don't understand why people are so desperate to have a world class coach. All we want to be is a no.8 ranked team. We don't need world's best coaches for that. Best coaches are needed for those teams who are already at a high level and they need that extra bit to be the best of the bests. Put it that way- if a student keeps failing in his exams does he really need the best teacher to make him pass especially if just getting a pass grade is his intention? Just a reasonably good teacher is adequate for him to pass providing he does the work needed and has support from the family. The best teacher will be better utilised by the best students, who with a little bit of help and guidence from the best can reach at the top level. You can still have the best teacher for the failing student but that will be a overkill. We are still learning abcd of cricket. Just an above average coach is good enough for us as long as he has the passion to take our cricket forward. What would a highly tactical coach do with our team? Make us world beaters? No, because our cricketers are not physically, mentally and technically capable of performing well. How do we expect our batsman to score 50s and 100s on regular basis at international level when they average 30 odd in our domestic level which is the weakest among all test nations. Are we so naive to think that one or two world class coaches in the national set up can deliver us good results? Its not that easy. If we look at top cricketing nations, they have proper set up from the bottom level, not just good coaches but also adequate facilities, strong competitions and good role models. Some argue that Pak and SL are not that better than us financially but I bet they have better set up than us and are little bit more hard working than us.
By the way, Chandika is more than good enough for us. He has coached at high levels in two top ranked test nations one being no 1 and another no 4. Its up to us how we will utilise his expertise. Since getting test status we had so many excellent coaches but we could not move up from no 10 ranking.