2020 US Presidential Election Thread

[Fazal]

BTW komola shundori's dad (an economics professor in Standford University) didn't like her for her stereotyping Jamaican as ganga khoor and promoting ganja for her political benefit. He didn't liked her mis characterization of her ancestors.

She is a gold digger indeed.

[bujhee kom]

I think Dump here jabey eibar...who will win, it is very hard to tell.

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Fazal
BTW komola shundori's dad (an economics professor in Standford University) didn't like her for her stereotyping Jamaican as ganga khoor and promoting ganja for her political benefit. He didn't liked her mis characterization of her ancestors.

She is a gold digger indeed.

Kamala Harris for her whole life was never for marijuana legalization. She was always against it.

That is OK. It is OK to be socially conservative. It is OK to have a principled stand on a certain issue, be you are a Democrat or a Republican.

What is not OK is lying and flip-flopping depending on how the political wind blows. Now that she sees more people are in favor of legalizing marijuana, she paints herself and her family as ganga-khor.

These type of shenanigans, also perpetrated by Hillary, NEVER worked. Example - Hillary was for TPP, advocated to get it passed zillion times, but when under pressure from Trump and Bernie, suddenly flipped. And she came across as FRAUD.

Instead of lying, Kamala could have opted the approach of admitting the truth. She could have said that she was always against legalizing, but evolved and changed her position after doing research/study.

But she lied, her father put her on the spot, and guess who will pounce and binge on it?

Donald J. Trump

That is why corporate centrist democrats will never win against Trump. They are too scripted and too strategy dependent.

Politics is a game where you have to be straight forward, street smart, and trust your natural instinct. See the ball, bit the ball.

If you are double minded, you will be like Ashraful, and even before you realize, your off stump will be in tatters.

“My dear departed grandmothers (whose extraordinary legacy I described in a recent essay on this website), as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics,” he wrote.

Added Donald Harris: “Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty.”

[Fazal]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez refuses to back Bernie Sanders for 2020 election run against Trump.


"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has refused to endorse Bernie Sanders for the 2020 Democratic nomination, despite working on the senator’s first presidential campaign."




Is it good news or bad news for Sanders? AOC's ideas are kind of wack... too extreme and unrealistic.

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Fazal
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez refuses to back Bernie Sanders for 2020 election run against Trump.

"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has refused to endorse Bernie Sanders for the 2020 Democratic nomination, despite working on the senator’s first presidential campaign."

Is it good news or bad news for Sanders? AOC's ideas are kind of wack... too extreme and unrealistic.

You have to take main steam media news with a pinch of salt.

Does AOC support Bernie Sanders? I believe she does in her heart. However, endorsing someone so early when the primary vote is about to begin after one year is childish and foolish.

The purpose of a primary is allow own party candidates to compete against each other and debate their policy ideas so that the strongest candidate can emerge, who is backed and elected by the people. In an ideal democratic situation, AOC is simply one vote, either for or against Bernie, and nothing more.

The endorsement theatrics come into play when you want to suppress democratic process and you want to tip the scale in favor of someone predetermined. That is why democrats have anti-democratic super delegates. They are there to tell people on their face: Be happy with whatever democracy we throw on your way - but at the end of the day, if we don't like people's choice, we will change and choose whomever we want.

And this endorsing show has already started. California governor already endorsed Kamala Harris. No surprise here. In 2020, the establishment choice is Kamala Harris, like it was Hillary in 2016.

If you understand the meaning of democracy, the shenanigans of super delegate system, and the purpose of primary, AOC did nothing wrong by refusing to endorse Bernie. She has rather made the right choice. She is a congresswoman and not a private citizen. Yes, Bernie might be an apparent front runner, but she simply wants to give other candidates a fair chance and hear each and everyone out before making an informed decision.

But of course establishment mainstream media has put a different spin to her refusal. They are saying here: See Bernie has no CHANCE. Even AOC has refused to endorse him. Thus he should be out.

To this interpretation of this news we say, it is OK. It would be great if AOC casts her vote for Bernie, but if she does not, that is also OK, because that is democracy.

[Fazal]

Hillary Clinton met with Biden, Klobuchar on 2020



Hillary Clinton held meetings in early February with former Vice President Joe Biden and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar to talk about the 2020 presidential election, a source close to the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee tells CNN.

[zman]

It'd be so much fun if we had a rematch of 2016...one can only dream

[ToBeFair]

What a great strategy from Joe Biden. Bravo.

It is not surprising at all that three times presidential race loser Uncle Joe is a total disconnect from the current political climate, and instead of seeing the endorsement of people, he seeks the endorsement and blessing of the most unpopular political personality (even now Clinton is beneath Trump in terms of favorability), who first lost to a black guy with a Moslem name, and then CHEATED to get the nomination but lost to the reality show star MOHM (megalomaniac orange hate machine).

Good for Biden. Cannot wait to see him suffer his fourth loss.

Biden had the greatest chance in 2016 but guess what? His boss Obama intimated him and prevented him from running, because after Hillary's loss in 2008, Obama signed a contract with the Clinton machine where he promised (1) to make Hillary SOS (2) support Hillary for 2016 nomination.

Accept it or not, Clinton machine is history. No matter how hard they try to stay relevant, they are irrelevant.

[Yankees]

Originally Posted by Fazal
Hillary Clinton met with Biden, Klobuchar on 2020



Hillary Clinton held meetings in early February with former Vice President Joe Biden and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar to talk about the 2020 presidential election, a source close to the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee tells CNN.

The assumption among people who have talked to Clinton is that the former nominee will sit out the Democratic primary and get behind the eventual nominee, but one source cautioned in January that things could change based on how the primary plays out.

umm what? is she gonna do a heel turn wwe style? Just go away lady

[Yankees]

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
Biden had the greatest chance in 2016 but guess what? His boss Obama intimated him and prevented him from running, because after Hillary's loss in 2008, Obama signed a contract with the Clinton machine where he promised (1) to make Hillary SOS (2) support Hillary for 2016 nomination.

ok buddy, you need some time off. step away from the screen, go spend time with the kids, maybe get some sleep.

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Yankees
ok buddy, you need some time off. step away from the screen, go spend time with the kids, maybe get some sleep.

I definitely need a break from politics, but it is true that Obama had cut a deal with the Clinton machine.

Despite being a politician in the mould of Reagan philosophy, Obama lived in such a narcissistic bubble that he considered himself a beacon of liberal progressive policies, and he was confident that Hillary would not only win in 2016 but also in 2020, and those sixteen years of democratic rule would rival the FDR era and go down in American history as true period of liberal progressivism.

But the people served poetic justice and the Orange Pumpkin that question Obama's credibility for eight continuous years and despised him the most was elected to be his successor and legacy.

[Yankees]

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
Biden had the greatest chance in 2016 but guess what? His boss Obama intimated him and prevented him from running, because after Hillary's loss in 2008, Obama signed a contract with the Clinton machine where he promised (1) to make Hillary SOS (2) support Hillary for 2016 nomination.

Originally Posted by ToBeFair
I definitely need a break from politics, but it is true that Obama had cut a deal with the Clinton machine.

BOH didnt stop Biden, the decision was all Biden's and was largely due to his son's untimely death. You could argue that BOH didn't encourage him, but it was because he didnt think Joe could beat Hillary and a long battle would split the party. Not because he cut some deal with Hilary.

Keep saying stuff like that and you will lose all credibility. Take off the foil helmet and get some fresh air man.

[ToBeFair]

Originally Posted by Yankees
BOH didnt stop Biden, the decision was all Biden's and was largely due to his son's untimely death. You could argue that BOH didn't encourage him, but it was because he didnt think Joe could beat Hillary and a long battle would split the party. Not because he cut some deal with Hilary.

If Biden did not want to run, he could have made his announcement privately anywhere or from his own residence.

But the fact that Biden made the announcement about not running from the Rose Garden with a relieved Obama standing behind him was a clear indication that Obama pressured Biden to refrain from running. And of course due the tragic death of his son, Biden was ambivalent and malleable at that time, and Obama took advantage of it to vouch for Queen Hillary.

After Bernie gained momentum in 2016, Obama also brazenly called him to the Oval office and pressured him to drop out.

The logic of splitting votes in a primary is antithetical to the concept of primary. I am assuming here, but it is highly probable that Obama used this logic to remove Biden and Bernie and clear the path for Hilary. And it was very hypocritical of him. Hillary was also the presumptive nominee in 2008, but did Obama simply decided against running out of fear of splitting the votes and the democratic base? He did not. It was a fair primary that made him the president. And yet when it came to others, he flipped out, shamelessly endorsed Hillary, and all these signs clearly indicate he had a deal with the Clinton Machine (this deal is also a common knowledge and an open secret).

Deal or not, discouraging your own vice president from running was a pure DISGRACE. This is a regret Biden will take into his grave.

Originally Posted by Yankees
Keep saying stuff like that and you will lose all credibility.

Don't worry too much about my credibility The only credibility that matters is being credible in the eyes of God.

[Fazal]

Love him or hate him, it was indeed an open secret that Obama and Clinton had a deal: in return for not running the 2012 primary, Obama team assured that She will have full support from Obama getting Democratic nomination in 2016.


When someone win the election, (in this case twice), the party is controlled and run by the President's loyalist. And we know that how DNC nakedly manipulated (whatever they could) to select Hilary in primary. There is no way this (nakedly supporting one candidate) can happen without the prior approval of Obama, the two time president.

[ToBeFair]

Notice the coffee drinking guy on the right.

[Roey Haque]

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Originally Posted by Yankees
BOH didnt stop Biden, the decision was all Biden's and was largely due to his son's untimely death. You could argue that BOH didn't encourage him, but it was because he didnt think Joe could beat Hillary and a long battle would split the party. Not because he cut some deal with Hilary.

Keep saying stuff like that and you will lose all credibility. Take off the foil helmet and get some fresh air man.

No need to patronize him. Many conspiracies of the past turned out to be true. If someone is passionate about something, they should articulate their thoughts. Even if I personally don't like his left wing politics, I like the fervorous long posts!

[tonmoy.dhaka]

Originally Posted by Roey Haque

Even if I personally don't like his left wing politics, I like the fervorous long posts!

Left wing/liberal politics?

All islamists living in north-america or Europe support the liberals/left leaning parties. That does not mean these guys represent left wing politics. They are just taking advantage of the liberal ideology (since the ideology is friendly to the minorities).

You can call them faux liberals.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by tonmoy.dhaka
Left wing/liberal politics?

All islamists living in north-america or Europe support the liberals/left leaning parties. That does not mean these guys represent left wing politics. They are just taking advantage of the liberal ideology (since the ideology is friendly to the minorities).

You can call them faux liberals.

Or just non suicidal. Avoiding immediate self harm is not very surprising. Its like the reflex recoil when someone touches a hot stove.

But there are allegedly devout or practicing muslims who are conservative. Zudi Jasser is one, the other was that Texas GOP leader who was nearly voted out because he was a muslim, lol. Then there is the allegedly shia Imam Mohammad Tawhidi in Australia. Maajid Nawaz in UK might be another, although I dont know if he is fully conservative.

GOP usually doesnt want muslims, so they follow the path of least resistance to liberal parties.

Nowadays though most American muslims are democrats because they are socially liberal and favor gay marriage, abortion, and other things their parents might not accept as readily. Many american muslims drink alcohol, have premarital sex. and engage in drug use.

[iDumb]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Many american muslims drink alcohol, have premarital sex. and engage in drug use.

i do all that and vote REPUBLIC. Booyah!!!

[iDumb]

socially liberal and favor gay marriage, abortion, and other things

And this!! Still vote republic - always!!!

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by iDumb
And this!! Still vote republic - always!!!

This proves the point that you can be socially liberal, yet vote conservative. Thus, its not surprising some people are socially conservative yet vote liberal. And thats even assuming that such things are binary, which they are not. There is always a spectrum. And all permutations are possible.

Asides from that there is priority stratification. People vote all sorts of different ways based on their most pressing concern at that particular time.

[iDumb]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
This proves the point that you can be socially liberal, yet vote conservative. Thus, its not surprising some people are socially conservative yet vote liberal. And thats even assuming that such things are binary, which they are not. There is always a spectrum. And all permutations are possible.

Asides from that there is priority stratification. People vote all sorts of different ways based on their most pressing concern at that particular time.

absolutely. You can not label yourself something and vote that way. Only an idiot does that. I vote in a way that I see would be a good fit for overall health of a country and how it also would affect me.

Though i may have very socially liberal views, when it comes to certain issues like immigration, border control, drug legalization my views are very conservative despite being an immigrant myself.

It's called common sense policies. USA should definitely do away with family based immigration and rather embrace a talent based one. I am waiting for Trump to touch on legal immigration soon... there are just so many problems that need fixing, I get dizzi and headache thinking about them.... We are going to the gutters if things are continued the way it is... Need American domination to continue another 200 years. Aint gonna last another 20 if we cont to do the things the way we do.

[ToBeFair]

The discussion above explains why political labels are often misnomers and do not represent actual voting blocs.

To begin with, labels are loosely defined, and even if they are well defined, people are often unaware of the bookish/academic definition. Also, within each label, there are different strands, and this is true for almost any belief and ideology. Islamic creed, for example, also has various strands.

Corporate democrats have always used political labels that people associate themselves with to push the wrong candidate. Majority of the democrats identify themselves as conservative democrat, but by conservative, they do not mean the neo-liberal corporatist philosophy that establishment democrats push for. They are socially conservative, but economic policy wise, they are massively progressive and favor social democracy. This explains the success of a no name self proclaimed democratic socialist in the land of capitalism in 2016.

This also explains why red scaring of Bernie by Trump and media will not work this time, should Bernie becomes the democratic nominee. Because when you go policy by policy, irrespective of labels, people (democrats, average republicans, independents) are firmly behind him.

[tonmoy.dhaka]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
Or just non suicidal. Avoiding immediate self harm is not very surprising. Its like the reflex recoil when someone touches a hot stove.

But there are allegedly devout or practicing muslims who are conservative. Zudi Jasser is one, the other was that Texas GOP leader who was nearly voted out because he was a muslim, lol. Then there is the allegedly shia Imam Mohammad Tawhidi in Australia. Maajid Nawaz in UK might be another, although I dont know if he is fully conservative.

GOP usually doesnt want muslims, so they follow the path of least resistance to liberal parties.

Nowadays though most American muslims are democrats because they are socially liberal and favor gay marriage, abortion, and other things their parents might not accept as readily. Many american muslims drink alcohol, have premarital sex. and engage in drug use.

Not sure whats funnier, that a bunch of ultra conservative islamists are acting as flag bearer of liberal ideology or there are people who are actually defending that?

Yes, ToBeFair can support and vote for the liberals but it is wrong to state that he represents left wing politics. That cannot be further from the truth.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by tonmoy.dhaka
Not sure whats funnier, that a bunch of ultra conservative islamists are acting as flag bearer of liberal ideology or there are people who are actually defending that?

People like Hasan Minhaj are both Muslim and actual liberal/progressives. For example his wife is Hindu, so he has no issues with interfaith marriage. He's also staunchly pro gay rights and pro Black Lives Matter. The only difference between him and any other liberal is the skin tone and the not eating pork thing. The same with the left wing Reza Aslan who is also married to a non-Muslim. I have tons of friends who consider themselves Muslim, and espouse liberal/progressive platforms, in their entirety.

Then there is my cousin who considers himself a Muslim, but doesn't believe the Quran is relevant to the 21st century or even to non-Arab people, and then agrees with conservatives on most issues.

There are also liberals who are liberal 99% of the time, but will not hesitate to take even the most conservative positions, when it suits their immediate interests.

So all permutations are possible.