Should marijuana be legalized?

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by Electrequiem
By far the most detailed information on Marijuana I've stumbled across.

Yeah sure, E. You "stumbled" across.

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Orpheus
i disagree only because all that you have mentioned above do not cause harm. I think you have to change the definition of what constitute haram if you think the substance above are all haram.

Now you can say anything that has addictive potential or impairs judgement is haram. Then I ask what if I can gurantee no addiction or judgement impairment with certain regimen - would that be haram?

bhai kothai asen...80-90% of lung cancer patients were smokers??? i suppose you can debate nature vs nuture...but smoke definitely contributes to cancer (benzo a pyrene forms adducts with DNA) just like alcohol causes cirhotic livers.

[cricman]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
bhai kothai asen...80-90% of lung cancer patients were smokers??? i suppose you can debate nature vs nuture...but smoke definitely contributes to cancer (benzo a pyrene forms adducts with DNA) just like alcohol causes cirhotic livers.

1 Cigarette < 100 L's

got this from a stoner

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by cricman
1 Cigarette < 100 L's

Cricuda,

I feel like a total geek for asking this, but plz: Define 'L' (for rest of us, all the non-stoner fans here).

[Orpheus]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
bhai kothai asen...80-90% of lung cancer patients were smokers??? i suppose you can debate nature vs nuture...but smoke definitely contributes to cancer (benzo a pyrene forms adducts with DNA) just like alcohol causes cirhotic livers.

Al, my reply to you was on the various substance that you've mentioned in your posts (not all are smoked). I wasn't defending marijuana smoking. I am sure there are carcinogens in marijuana and regardless of whether or not any substantial studies have been done, common sense dictates there is a risk of lung pathology.

My main argument was that a substance (ie morphine/heroine) can be given in a way not to cause any harm to the body. Now they wouldn't ofcourse be given to a normal person. It would be given to those suffering from nagging pain. My whole argument was that I can use many of these "haram" substance, not to harm the body but to heal the body. Which then begs the questions, what is haram - is it the substance or the abuse of the substance?

For example, you mentioned alcohol. Sure, alcohol can cause cirrhosis but it is a very lengthy process. One can consume alcohol with out having a cirrotic liver or even more reversible fatty liver. We can consume alcohol to benefit (a bit dodgy I know). Similarly (not dodgy at all), morphine/heroine can be given as an anagesic without having the patient go into sedation or respiratory failure/death.

In short, I will use "heroine" to drive my point: you have somone suffering from chronic pain, you can:
-Give little but stable dosage of heroine, which will alleviate the pain without causing any addiction (this is a good thing)
-you can intermittently give high dose - can cause sedation and make the person go into heroine addiction (this is bad).

While second one is "haram" - not doing the 1st one is unethical.

[cricman]

Originally Posted by Gopal Bhar
Cricuda,

I feel like a total geek for asking this, but plz: Define 'L' (for rest of us, all the non-stoner fans here).

Leaf

[Zeeshan]

To the person who gave red rating, I hope you step on a banana peel while descending an escalator.

To the person who revived the thread with green up arrow, thanks but I think you have done more for the love of pot, than to save my axx.

On topic:

Originally Posted by Rabz
Just picture this, what if the Imam is a stoner too!
A 4 rakat namaz would need 40 minutes to finish.

Is that necessarily "bad" being in awe and reverence for Almighty's wonder for 40 mins.? By the way, I am not sure about the validity of the example. To the "outsiders" time would run at "normal" rate, and from Imam's viewpoint, given the relativity of the time, time would "slow down". Time is not Absolute that Imam can control it by taking a few tokes.

Speaking of religion and cannabis. Weed is used in Native American culture for rites of passage and also in some Amazonian tribes they use ayahuasca for spiritual cleansing.

For other religious use of marijunana, check out this website:

http://www.terrisenft.net/students/r...manifesto.html

By the way, it'd be naive to assume that the ones who concocted such stories as the magic carpet or "smoke" coming out of lamp of genie, didn't mix other stuff with hash in their hookah.

Here's another question I was wondering. Are there any related species or genera that is legal and gives high? Any botanist here? I am not a geneticist but shouldn't related genera or species have similar properties?

Disclaimer: Gopal Bhar and Inc., does not condone nor promote the use of Cannabis sativa.

[Electrequiem]

Enter Salvia divinorum.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

Who says "drugs" take away your productivity?

[cricman]

If i was the one writing the legislation for the bill, It would be simple

*Can't Sell Weed, W/O Getting a License (Fees, Exams, taxes etc.)
*The Weed your growing Has to Go through the FDA and have proper labels for different types of weed that exist and put some sort of appropriate dosage
*Can't operate any Machinery While Under the Influence
*Legal Age of 18

The Economy will grow Tenfold

btw: I wonder how Kal Penn Feel about this?

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by cricman
If i was the one writing the legislation for the bill, It would be simple

*Can't Sell Weed, W/O Getting a License (Fees, Exams, taxes etc.)
*The Weed your growing Has to Go through the FDA and have proper labels for different types of weed that exist and put some sort of appropriate dosage
*Can't operate any Machinery While Under the Influence
*Legal Age of 18

The Economy will grow Tenfold

You sure about that? Although, I find E's video as an acting hyperbole, it does have some justficiation of a system becoming numb, confused and coming to a standstill. Who knows maybe crime rate will go down assuming marijuana use will ease people's nerves and tension, but it'd also a downer and may increase depression among people.

My main concern for opening this topic was how will we, Bangladeshi-Americans, will cope with it? It's kinda like making "wearing skirt" legal in Bangladesh. Since, we are of a more conservative, religious culture, we will see parents unabling to cope with their sons and daughters coming home all faded and "aleya begum! onar pola mayiara to shob ganja khor" would be a typical label in our community.

However, I must say we are as a society being more "open" now. 18-21 year old girls are seen in Bangladesh as rampant smokers and some even goes to 31st party in tanktops. Today, in my local Bangaldeshi grocery store I saw a Bengali man brining his foreigner "girlfriend" in low cut dress and skirt.

I welcome liberal viewpoints; so I was curious to see if there any conservative lash outs against a culture like ours embracing potsmokers.

Shardul vai, rifat, Asad vai: you all disappoint me! Where is the venom?! You can't let the "liberals" win like that, can you? tsk tsk tsk....

Note: it's funny to see there is a 50-50 split among the voters although most of the posters in this thread advocated it's decriminalization. Where are all those people who voted against it?

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by cricman

btw: I wonder how Kal Penn Feel about this?

Bingo! That must be it...that's why he joined politics to lobby for his hidden agenda.

[BanCricFan]

I dont care. I live in England.

Btw, Gopal, whats so great about young girls smoking rampantly? How is that related to being "open"...Do you equate this with progress?!

[Rabz]

Originally Posted by Gopal Bhar
Is that necessarily "bad" being in awe and reverence for Almighty's wonder for 40 mins.? By the way, I am not sure about the validity of the example. To the "outsiders" time would run at "normal" rate, and from Imam's viewpoint, given the relativity of the time, time would "slow down". Time is not Absolute that Imam can control it by taking a few tokes.

No, its not wrong to be in awe and reverence for the Almighty but its wrong to drag a 4 minute affair into 40 minutes.

Everything has a time and place and so does prayer, even in Islam.
For a 4 rakat of namaz, you will get your due "sawab", which has been allocated for your performance of the job. Taking a decent time to make sure that the job is performed accurately is important, but if you think you gonna drag it to an extended duration, much to the annoyance to the "muktadir", you will not get any extra "sawab".

Remember, Johr, Asr and Maghrib (sometimes) prayer falls in the official working hours. If you taking few minutes off from work to pray and have certain arrangement with your employer ( and this is more applicable to those who lives overseas), neither you or your boss would be happy if the prayer goes on and on for ever which was supposed to take only few minutes.

Finishing your salat in due time and going back to work is more important than wasting any time that can be avoided. Earning a living to support your dependents is as good as a Farz as praying five times a day.

[bujhee kom]

Hahahaha...this thread keeps on smoking..hahaahah!

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by BanCricFan
I dont care. I live in England.

Btw, Gopal, whats so great about young girls smoking rampantly? How is that related to being "open"...Do you equate this with progress?!

Who said anything about smoking being "great"? I just put down an observation about the social change we had since 10 years ago. And, yes being "open" has lot to do with progress, but in this context (where young smokers=open) doesnt have to do with progress.

[BanCricFan]

Fair enough

[Sohel]

Marijuna is medicine and should be respected as such. Regulation in terms of quality and distribution, professional diagnosis and correct dosage accordingly. Decriminalization is the first step.

Having said that, we must remember that the human mind is often as feeble as it is capable of greatness, and open to of all kinds of self destructive compulsions. Driven by instant gratification, a wide variety of behavior can adversely impact the ones we love. In that light, the glorified and legal distribution of alcohol is far more potent a negative than the joint. But banning anything creates a black market and compounds the problem.

Honestly educating children about the nature and pitfalls such compulsions, while teaching peace, tolerance and kindness in everyday life, no matter how life treats you, is the way to evolve IMHO.

Righteousness is far more sustainable than reaction and reactionary cruelty, and cruelty from others and eventually turned towards oneself is the root of all self destructive behavior.

[One World]

Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the drearry desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action
Into that heaven of freedom my Father let my country awake

[bujhee kom]

Arrey bhais, apnara still going puf puff....?!

[Ajfar]

hey GB your thread made it to the 2nd page..congrats..

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by bangladesh_sy
hey GB your thread made it to the 2nd page..congrats..

but those mods have strategically restrained themselves from posting here. haha....those clever clever mods!

[Zeeshan]

...and that seemed to be a backhanded compliment sy_baba.

[Ajfar]

Originally Posted by Gopal Bhar
...and that seemed to be a backhanded compliment sy_baba.

bhaijan backhanded, shoja handed, left handed, right handed. compliment tow complimente...

[al Furqaan]

Originally Posted by Orpheus
Al, my reply to you was on the various substance that you've mentioned in your posts (not all are smoked). I wasn't defending marijuana smoking. I am sure there are carcinogens in marijuana and regardless of whether or not any substantial studies have been done, common sense dictates there is a risk of lung pathology.

My main argument was that a substance (ie morphine/heroine) can be given in a way not to cause any harm to the body. Now they wouldn't ofcourse be given to a normal person. It would be given to those suffering from nagging pain. My whole argument was that I can use many of these "haram" substance, not to harm the body but to heal the body. Which then begs the questions, what is haram - is it the substance or the abuse of the substance?

For example, you mentioned alcohol. Sure, alcohol can cause cirrhosis but it is a very lengthy process. One can consume alcohol with out having a cirrotic liver or even more reversible fatty liver. We can consume alcohol to benefit (a bit dodgy I know). Similarly (not dodgy at all), morphine/heroine can be given as an anagesic without having the patient go into sedation or respiratory failure/death.

In short, I will use "heroine" to drive my point: you have somone suffering from chronic pain, you can:
-Give little but stable dosage of heroine, which will alleviate the pain without causing any addiction (this is a good thing)
-you can intermittently give high dose - can cause sedation and make the person go into heroine addiction (this is bad).

While second one is "haram" - not doing the 1st one is unethical.

i won't disagree.

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by al Furqaan
i won't disagree.

lol asad vai is all maap chai...orphyr sathe jhogra koira shikha hoyia gese...polata nasorbanda.