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fab · #26 March 8, 2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
the movie osama sucks...i didn't like it

Really. I was gonna check it out. What is wrong with it?

*AsifTheManRahman* · #27 March 8, 2005, 10:40 PM

it's boring. they probably tried to put in some deep meaning into it, but all they came up with was a crappy story. i think the movie made its name mainly because of the popularity that anything related to afghanistan has in today's world.

fab · #28 March 8, 2005, 10:42 PM

But why was it boring? It didn't have enough action and/or love scenes?

btw, The Boy who plays on the buddhas of Bamiyan is not a movie it is a feature film that really makes you see the world through the eyes of these cave dwellers. But yes, it's cheap entertainment factor is nothing like that of Titanic or LOTR etc

Edited on, March 9, 2005, 3:45 AM GMT, by fab.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #29 March 8, 2005, 10:44 PM

i dont know how to explain it. it had no material whatsoever. maybe if you threw in a couple of dance scenes it would;ve been like a bangla cinema. does that help?

Arnab · #30 March 8, 2005, 10:45 PM

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If that means sacrificing not just my own life, but that of those who are dear to me, then so be it. It would be for the greater good of thousands of other people in future generations.

It is exactly this kind of absolutely irrational statement that prompts me to raise the issue of brainwash. And this is self-executed brainwashing even.

"Sacrificing my own life and of those who are dear to me for the greater good" has an insidious and unmistakable Nazi overtone to it. The Jews were also "sacrficed" for a "purer" German and human race.

Being apolitic and empathetic is one thing, but being irrational and hallucinatory is something else.

fab · #31 March 8, 2005, 10:49 PM

So rather than actively trying to rid the country of the Taliban we should just stay put and hope the problem will go away by itself?

Arnab · #32 March 8, 2005, 10:54 PM

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So rather than actively trying to rid the country of the Taliban we should just stay put and hope the problem will go away by itself?

No.

And what do you mean by "actively trying"? "Actively trying" does not have to include American nintendo pilots with zero morality bombing innocent and defenseless Afghan civilians from high in the sky. "Actively trying" does not mean innocent Afghan civilians embracing their own death on the basis of ludicrous fatalism.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #33 March 8, 2005, 10:57 PM

everything in this world is relative. people have different views, and they back those views up with their own logic. there's nothing called good or bad/right or wrong - it's all about how you look at things. gopal thinks that living in the states is better than living in bd if you have a green card, whereas nazmul thinks the opposite. fab thinks bombing afghanistan was good, arnab thinks it's bad. who's right? nobody - both have their own way of viewing the matter to back up his/her comments.

i've been thinking about this for the last couple of days, and it's been driving me nuts.

ok - too many nerdy posts for a day. i think i'll stop and get back to my usual self now.

Edited on, March 9, 2005, 3:58 AM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

fab · #34 March 8, 2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
i dont know how to explain it. it had no material whatsoever. maybe if you threw in a couple of dance scenes it would;ve been like a bangla cinema. does that help?

No offence dude, but how can you decide that a movie sux if can't give a reason?!

*AsifTheManRahman* · #35 March 8, 2005, 11:01 PM

well it has to have a good story right? honestly, i didn't see where the movie was going. there was this girl who dressed like a boy to be able to work and finally was stolen away to a bin laden camp where she was caught for cross dressing and almost executed when the judge decided to give her away to a guy old enough to be her grandpa. so big deal? what's so special about that?

no climax - no excitement - no nothing. no real flow in the story either - it was really all over the place.

Arnab · #36 March 8, 2005, 11:05 PM

Was it fiction or documentary?

If it was a documentary, then all this talk about climax-flow-etc. is somewhat irrelevant.

fab · #37 March 8, 2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Arnab
"Actively trying" does not mean innocent Afghan civilians embracing their own death on the basis of ludicrous fatalism.

I beg to differ. If that was the case you wouldn't have so many civil wars and people dying for a cause. A perfect example is of course our very own struggle in 1971. Fact: we could NEVER have acheived independence without resorting to violence and fatalistic self sacrifice.

Arnab · #38 March 8, 2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by fab
I beg to differ. If that was the case you wouldn't have so many civil wars and people dying for a cause. A perfect example is of course our very own struggle in 1971. Fact: we could NEVER have acheived independence without resorting to violence and fatalistic self sacrifice.

Yes, fatalistic self sacrifice by armed GUERILLAS able to defend themselves makes some sense to me.

Fatalistic self-sacrifice in the form of unarmed civilians committing some kind of passive mass-euthanasia dying from foreign bombs falling from the sky makes NO sense.

Edited on, March 9, 2005, 4:12 AM GMT, by Arnab.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #39 March 8, 2005, 11:12 PM

it was fiction. crappy fiction.

fab · #40 March 8, 2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
no climax - no excitement - no nothing. no real flow in the story either - it was really all over the place.

Ah huh! So it was your first taste of an "art film"

So you felt nothing for this girl and did not gain any understanding of some of the trials and tribulations faced by many in her situation? You didn't learn anything about Afghanistan and its culture?

PS: Just want to make it clear, I do NOT think it was GOOD to bomb Afghanistan. I just think it is multidimensional and more than a good or bad thing.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #41 March 8, 2005, 11:15 PM

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no climax - no excitement - no nothing. no real flow in the story either - it was really all over the place.

Ah huh! So it was your first taste of an "art film"

So you felt nothing for this girl and did not gain any understanding of some of the trials and tribulations faced by many in her situation? You didn't learn anything about Afghanistan and its culture?

of course i did. however, thats not the way one would like to portray a culture though. it wasnt anything worth watching on tv - it had everything that even a 4 yr old knows and understands. that's all i'm saying.

fab · #42 March 8, 2005, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by Arnab
Fatalistic self-sacrifice in the form of unarmed civilians committing some kind of passive mass-yuthanasia dying from foreign bombs falling from the sky makes NO sense.

What? Where did I say that the Afghanistanis should queue en mass for volunantary euthanasia? My point was that the ousting of the Taliban was eventually GOOD for Afghanistan.

fab · #43 March 8, 2005, 11:18 PM

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it had everything that even a 4 yr old knows and understands. that's all i'm saying.

Titanic had everything that a 4 yr old knows, yet that didn't stop it from getting 11 Oscars. Just out of interest, what movie would you classify as being 'great'?

*AsifTheManRahman* · #44 March 8, 2005, 11:22 PM

great? osama's not even ordinary, let alone great.

titanic didn't have everything that a 4 yr old knows. it had the depth that osama doesn't. besides, it had everything to stir people's emotions, whereas osama was as plain as an ironed shirt - more like popeye where everything's happening, but without any emotions.

*AsifTheManRahman* · #45 March 8, 2005, 11:24 PM

weird...i made a post and it says on the forum page that the last post was made by me. however, i cant see my last post on this thread.

Arnab · #46 March 8, 2005, 11:24 PM

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What? Where did I say that the Afghanistanis should queue en mass for volunantary euthanasia? My point was that the ousting of the Taliban was eventually GOOD for Afghanistan.

No. Your point was that you were beginning to think that the end: Ousting of the Taliban somehow justified the means: The wanton, amoral bombing of American warplanes over defenseless Afghan civilians.

My response is that the end doesn't justify the means in this case.

One of your subpoint was that it YOUR (not my) interpretation from watching a fictitious movie about an Afghan girl was that Afghan civilians were actually happy to die from the American bombings.

My response is that this is a dangerous line of thought fraught with irrationality.

Edited on, March 9, 2005, 4:29 AM GMT, by Arnab.

Arnab · #47 March 8, 2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
great? osama's not even ordinary, let alone great.

titanic didn't have everything that a 4 yr old knows. it had the depth that osama doesn't. besides, it had everything to stir people's emotions, whereas osama was as plain as an ironed shirt - more like popeye where everything's happening, but without any emotions.

OK I am pretty sure that Titanic is the worst film in the history of humankind in terms of exploration of human emotions.

You are not helping yourself here Asif.

I have not watched this Afghan movie, but I am somewhat confident that it is probably much better than Titanic.

Mahir · #48 March 8, 2005, 11:29 PM

can someone put up a real hard tongue twister ?

*AsifTheManRahman* · #49 March 8, 2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
great? osama's not even ordinary, let alone great.

titanic didn't have everything that a 4 yr old knows. it had the depth that osama doesn't. besides, it had everything to stir people's emotions, whereas osama was as plain as an ironed shirt - more like popeye where everything's happening, but without any emotions.

OK I am pretty sure that Titanic is the worst film in the history of humankind in terms of exploration of human emotions.

You are not helping yourself here Asif.

I have not watched this Afghan movie, but I am somewhat confident that it is probably much better than Titanic.

yeah i guess i'm not helping myself here

fab - why don't you go watch the movie and figure out for yourself?

btw - u've done a pretty good job of playing around with my tired brain (it's 11:31 pm here)...impressed!

fab · #50 March 8, 2005, 11:37 PM

Okay, there seems to be some misunderstanding:

1) I have NOT seen the movie Osama (but I have seen the trailer and it looks to be a much better film than Titanic). Just wanting to understand why it was a crap film.

2) I did see a FEATURE film (i.e. it was not fiction) called The Boy who plays witih the Buddhas of Bamiyan.

3) Despite living in appalling conditions in CAVES, owning virtually nothing but the clothes on their back, eating one meal a day, this entire community was thoroughly happy that the Taliban have been ousted. The Taliban burned their villages, killed their women and left their children to freeze to death.

4) This made me think - who are we champagne socialists/limousine liberals to deny the the fact that the bombing of Afghanistan did eventuate to something BETTER for MOST Afghans.